Monday, November 29, 2004

Just like the Hokey Pokey...

...that's what it's all about.
My good friend of many years wrote this article that pretty much sums up the proverbial question, "why are we here?".
You can read it here.

The wisdom of Ben

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.

Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766

Wednesday, November 24, 2004

We have much to be thankfull for...

thanksgiving, uploaded by flatlander1.

Think about it, look around you. Are you thankfull for all God has given you today?

I am.

A special thanks to those who are serving their country, stateside or in hostile territory.


Thanks for stopping by, see you Monday. Now, get off your computer and go appreciate that for which you are thankfull. :-)

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Friday, November 19, 2004

Dragonfly for the weekend

A sample of perfect organic architecture.
See you Monday.

Keep your secrets, please.

Please, please keep it to yourself.

links to people who think like me

Some of these folks feed me a lot of traffic.  Thanks for reading my blather.


Tuesday, November 16, 2004

The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop the illegal immigration.

The re-election of President Bush is prompting the exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray and agree with Bill O’Reilly.

Canadian border farmers say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at night.

"I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota.

The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. "He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn’t have any, he left. Didn’t even get a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?"

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields.

"Not real effective," he said. "The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much they wouldn’t give milk."

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves.

"A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions," an Ontario border patrolman said. "I found one carload without a drop of drinking water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet, though."

When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR.

In the days since the election, liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers.

"If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about their age," an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating and organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies.

"I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art-history majors does one country need?"

In an effort to ease tensions between the United States and Canada, Vice President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian ambassador and pledged that the administration would take steps to reassure liberals, a source close to Cheney said.

"We’re going to have some Peter, Paul & Mary concerts. And we might put some endangered species on postage stamps. The president is determined to reach out."

Thursday, November 18, 2004



There's another FLATLANDER and we ain't got the same views...

Wile E

Finally, now that the election is over, we are able to discuss the deeper subjects that make our world a little better.

From Lileks:

Who is the Road Runner, anyway? An idiot bird blessed with speed, he personifies not ingenuity but luck. You can’t tell me that he somehow figured out how to avoid triggering the Coyote’s various traps. If anything, he didn’t set them off because he was light and / or fast, and I concede that the Coyote should have taken those things into consideration. But. But. We’re talking about a dog here, a canine capable of constructing explosive devices one day, pantomiming elaborate deceptions the next, to say nothing of operating – however inexpertly – complex machinery. If he’d been up against something stupid and slow, he would have been fat and happy.

Okay, well, something stupid and slow not watched over by a sheepdog.

I have always been of the mind that Wile E Coyote cartoons were good 15 minute physics lessons. Educational, if you will.
Everyone has had that moment in life when they realize they have just experienced "Wile E Coyote Physics". You should have fallen down the stairs, but for some reason the stairs themselves fell, leaving you hanging in midair, etc.

I bet you could even find at least one large institution of higher learning with a class titled "Wile E Coyote Physics 101".

Make them required veiwing at the 4th grade level!

Big Flaming Paper Sack of Dog Poop Award

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The most current recipient of the FLATLANDER Big Flaming Paper Sack of Dog Poop Award:

Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa for his remarks regarding the Senate prioritizing sweeping tax reform, including the FairTax.

Tax-law rewrite has key skeptic
By Peronet Despeignes, USA TODAY

The Senate's top tax-writer expressed doubts Tuesday about prospects for a major overhaul of the tax code, dealing a blow to one of President Bush's top priorities two weeks after his re-election.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said comprehensive tax reform would be "difficult" to do. "I'm not one to spend a lot of time tilting at windmills," he said.

Grassley said Bush would have to aggressively use his "bully pulpit" to win wider popular support. After the election, Bush said he had earned "political capital, and now I intend to spend it" by pushing for changes in the tax code and Social Security, among other things. But Grassley said, "I'm not sure how much political capital (the president) is prepared to spend on it."

Grassley's view is important because all tax bills go through his committee. In an interview with USA TODAY, he said Bush made a mistake by not talking about tax reform more often and more explicitly in the campaign. "I think there was a missed opportunity," he said.

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Bush "talked daily during the campaign about the importance of making the tax code simpler, fairer and more conducive to economic growth, and he looks forward to working with Congress on this priority."

Bush has called for simplifying the tax code in a "neutral" way that would not significantly raise or reduce tax revenue. That could make changes tougher, because any big tax cuts for some would have to be paid for with increases for others, creating winners and losers.

The White House is assembling a bipartisan panel that's expected to make recommendations before Bush settles on a specific proposal next year. Among his options is the replacement of the progressive income tax with a single, "flat" income tax rate or retail sales tax.

Grassley suggested that he favors more incremental changes: making the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent, closing loopholes, shielding middle-income Americans from tax increases, and reducing the tax burden on savings and investment.

The last time Congress overhauled the tax code was in 1986 under President Reagan. That law broadened the tax base by slashing loopholes. It collapsed 15 income tax brackets, topped by a 50% rate, into two rates of 15% and 28%. Since then, new tax breaks have been added and the number of brackets raised to six, topped by a 35% rate.

Wednesday, November 17, 2004

Come over and take it out of his mouth if you don't like it. Come on. Make sure he doesn't have any "devil music" on his iPod while yer there.

Monday, November 15, 2004

When it's not good to be #1

Falling dollar bad for Eurozone

By Adam Porter in Perpignan, France


As oil prices fall to seven week lows, another economic problem is now the focus of analysts and the media: The falling dollar.

Commentators are convinced that the dollar could slip past its recent record lows against the Euro. With 1 euro buying $1.29, analysts have predicted that, even after a post-election rally, the dollar could slip to $1.35 to the euro or even less.

However, there are signs that rather than damage the American economy, as is predicted, it could be other currencies who feel the heat.

The Eurozone is especially vulnerable. This week it announced overall third quarter growth at just 0.3% - the slowest for a year.

Poor results

Germany, France and Italy all announced extremely disappointing third quarter economic results.

France's recent surge in demand slumped to near zero, recording just 0.1% of growth. Germany, traditionally the European powerhouse economy and manufacturing base also recorded just a 0.1% growth figure.

High oil prices did affect the German economy, as others, but what has hurt most is a big drop-off in exports.

Germany still has a large manufacturing base, and the relative strength of the euro means its exports are effectively more expensive.

At the same time, demand within the Eurozone has also failed to stimulate German industry.

As Joachim Fels and Annemarieke Christian of Morgan Stanley pointed out, "while German domestic demand has grown at a meagre rate of 0.3% since the start of EMU in 1999, real exports of goods and services have increased by 49% over the same time span, taking the share of exports in GDP up from 29% in late 1998 to no less than 40% in 2Q 2004". 

"Net exports now amount to 6% of GDP. The German economy depends more heavily on foreign trade (both exports and imports) than it ever has in its history," they said.

Weak dollar benefits

So, a strong Euro is limiting exports. This does not just put the Euro in competition with the falling dollar but also, in a competitive devaluation climate, it is in competition with other similar currencies, notably the yen. 

Roger Nightingale of Saracin Chiswell in London explained to Aljazeera: "The Euro needs lower interest rates to get the currency down. The Eurozone needs to strike out on a different policy. They could do it, at their last meeting I thought [European Central Bank chairman Claude] Trichet might do it. But he didn't."

So instead of the Euro being in a tussle with a falling dollar, the Euro is pitched against a more buoyant Japanese currency.

Germany 0 Japan 1

"There are two big competitors here. Germany and Japan. Basically there are not enough people buying the things they both make to satisfy the both of them. They both need to take business off each other.

"Japan was helped by selling capital goods, machinery and so on, to China in the past few years. China expanded rapidly and the relative low price of the yen benefited Japan," he said. 

Rather than high oil prices hurting dollar finance, Nightingale asserted that it was the other currencies that would feel the brunt.

"All the money that is being made by the [oil] producer countries, where does it go? Most of it is recycled back into dollars in the form of US government bonds and treasuries. This props up the US. Oil consuming countries will be, are [already] being hurt by a rise in oil price. But as a consumer country the US has protection as 90 to 95% of that money goes back into the US economy," he told Aljazeera.net.

Maybe this is what Dick Cheney meant when he said "what is wrong with high oil prices?"

"As well the US are not producing the same things as the Germans and Japanese," continued Nightingale. "With Germany being the industrial base of the Eurozone they have to compete globally with similar economies, the Japanese and also you could include Korea."

Radical measures needed

The only way out for the Euro, said Nightingale, was to take some radical measures.

"If Europe does not get its economy into shape then one of two things will occur: Either we will have a revolution in Europe or Trichet will cut interest rates to zero as they did in 1996 in Japan.

"At the last meeting I though he was going to burst into tears. This has to be a prelude for the Eurozone to get the economy moving in a different direction."

Nightingale's ideas may well have some traction.

As France and Germany announced stumbling economic data Lynn Reaser of Bank of America Capital Management predicted American job growth of "around 200,000 a month" for 2005.

Then the American General Aviation Manufacturers Association came out with figures saying that the purchase of corporate jets in the USA had surged in 2004.

If financial Europe has its eyes on some of the same flyaway profits and executive perks they may need to take some unpopular fiscal measures to help the euro.

Whether they will do that, or whether new twists in the current economic turmoil are ahead, remains to be seen.

Legos for the Lord...

Just in time for Christmas.


Thursday, November 11, 2004

Hug a Veteran

We'll try, we'll try. Thanks Guys.

Wednesday, November 10, 2004

Fix it with The FairTax

Just as Congressmen Linder and Peterson said... our Tax System's Broken. We Need To Fix It! That's precisely what the FairTax plan will do. We believe that it is absolutely the BEST way to bring about meaningful, r-e-a-l tax reform.
We believe, too, that after you've given the FairTax plan careful study, you will also come to see that it's the BEST way to fix our broken tax system.
The National Retail Sales Tax: FAIRNESS & FREEDOM for all!
OK, let's review: The FairTax Will:
• Repeal the federal income tax.
• Repeal all payroll taxes including taxes on Social Security and Medicare.
• Protect and ensure the funding of Social Security and Medicare.
• Repeal corporate and self-employment taxes.
• Repeal all estate, gift, and capital gains taxes.
• Taxation of income will be unconstitutional upon repeal of the 16th amendment.
• Allow you to keep 100% of your paycheck, pension, and social security payment. View your Paycheck! under the FairTax plan.
• Bring about a reduction of the cost of new goods and services by 20% to 30%.
• Raise the same amount of money for the federal government, i.e. "revenue neutral."
• Eliminate the Internal Revenue Service. - No more taxpayer time wasted on filling out cumbersome IRS forms. - No more IRS audits of individual taxpayers, no more IRS intimidation, no more levies, liens or home seizures by the IRS.
• Substantially reduce tax rates for lower and middle-income Americans. - Income Tax vs FairTax: MONEY AHEAD!
• Allow families to save more for Home Ownership, Education and Retirement.
• Provide a universal rebate equal to the sales tax paid on essential goods and services to ensure that no American pays taxes on necessities. Important! The Rebate is based only on family size (not on Income).
All Americans will receive the Rebate, in advance, monthly! Click REBATE! to see the Chart for 2003. All Seniors, including those on Social Security, will be pleased to note that they will receive the Rebate, too.
• Apply a 23% tax-inclusive rate sales tax on the purchase of New Goods and services in the U.S. Note: Used Goods and Education costs (ex: College Tuition) are not subject to the FairTax.
• Make American products more competitive at home and overseas. Encourage job-creation in America. Help reduce America's Trade Deficit.
• Stimulate economic growth in the U.S. by a far greater amount than the government's "tax-cuts" and "stimulus package" will ever do... and enable the economy to continue to grow year-after-year.

See Minnesotans for the Fair Tax for more information.

Monday, November 08, 2004

For all those serving.

of unknown origin

Saturday, November 06, 2004

Let's find some nice parting gifts for them, shall we?

Friday, November 05, 2004

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Unsure which way the wind blows?
Wondering how to re-invent yourself now that you have had your pants beat off?

Check with this guy. He knows how to garner the votes of ignorant Bible Thumpin' Republicans in the Red counties of Minnesota.

Model your pathetic party of extremist freaks and communist ideals after guys like this and you might start winning again in the Midwest.

But, I shall say no more, I've already given too much help.


I'm ready! If Dorgan decides to fill Daschles shoes, I'll be ready for him.
I'm also watching Senator Dayton like a hawk.


SHOCKER! Communist utopia really a cesspool

Deserters from the Korean war have found North Korea to be more of a cesspool than a communist utopia.
I'm shocked.

Must be something in the water... Looks like the division in America comes down to Large coastal city vs. land-locked rural areas... again.

A Tribute to Arafat

From the Paul Revere Society:

photo collage by FLATLANDER

Arafats Trail Of Blood

The world media portrays Yasser Arafat as a kindly George Washington of the Palestinian people. The real Arafat is a blood-thirsty Ghoul. He Pioneered airline high- jacking's, and he was the god father of terror. Whole villages of Christians were massacred under his command in Lebanon. His P.L.O. conducted many cowardly campaigns of murder. Perhaps the best known, in 1972, when 5 Arab terrorists entered the Olympic Village in Munich Germany, and Slaughtered 11 unarmed Israeli athletes in cold blood. This beast must not be glorified! To the side, you will find a portrait of the real Yasser Arafat. A man courted by the Democrats and shunned by Republicans. Now do you know why God smiles on George Bush?
Yasser Arafat has compiled a record of atrocities which would be the envy of past war criminals. From the blowing-up of planes, through thousands of terrorist attacks, ordering the execution of American Ambassador to Sudan, Cleo No'l, charges des affaires George Moore and the Belgium aid, Guy Eid in Khartoum.

During the 12 year Civil War in Lebanon, caused by Yasser Arafat's assuming power through terror, his terrorists committed mass murder. Whole Villages of Christians like Damour were massacred, chopped into pieces with machetes. Out of the 30,000 Christians, 10,000 were slaughtered by Arafat's PLO. The town was then occupied and kept as Arafat's stronghold. David Shipler of the New York Times wrote the story of Damour June 21, 1982. There were individual murders. One horrific, but typical, example is when the Muktar (leader) of a village refused to be cooperative with Arafat and his terrorists. The Muktar's teenage daughter was abducted and raped. Her breasts were cut off and she was delivered to the doorstep of her father in a sack.

At 4:30 A.M. on September 5, 1972, five Arab terrorists wearing track suits climbed the six and ½ foot fence surrounding the Olympic Village in Munich, Germany. Once inside, they were met by three others who had gained entrance with credentials. Within 24 hours, 11 Israelis, five terrorists and a German policeman were dead. The Munich operation was ordered by Yasser Arafat and carried out by Fatah, Arafat's faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).

-Arafat Finances Suicide Bombings
In a memorandum captured in Operation Defensive Shield, the Secretary-General of the Fatah office in Tulkarm requested that Arafat provide $2,000 to each of 15 specifically named "Fighting Brethren" of the Tanzim military wing of Fatah. According to Israeli military sources, each of the "fighters" was involved in the planning or execution of suicide attacks. With his own signature in Arabic, Arafat authorized the payment of $800 to each of the "fighters" on April 5, 2001.

-Arafat Finances Terrorist Attacks
On September 19, 2001, Arafat personally approved a request for payment of $600 to three people including Ra'ad Karmi, commander of the Tanzim in Tulkarm, who was personally involved in at least 25 shooting attacks against Israelis. Arafat funded Karmi even though Israel had placed Karmi on its "most-wanted" list just three months earlier. On the same day, Arafat approved payment to Amar Qadan, a member of his own Force-17 "Presidential Guard," who was involved in terrorist operations.
A second request was faxed to Arafat to fund 12 more terrorists. According to Colonel Miri Eisin of the IDF intelligence Branch, "Every single one of them was on our wanted list these are Tanzim members, which is Arafat's own party." Arafat knew well that these individuals were involved in terrorism. Nevertheless, on January 7, 2002, "Arafat himself in his handwriting, with his signature agreed to pay the money."
On January 17, 2002, two and a half weeks later, a Palestinian killed six Israelis and wounded twenty-six at a bat-mitzvah party in Hadera, initiated and planned by one of those on Arafat's list Mansur Saleh Sharim, who was already responsible for the deaths of at least three Israelis. Senior Fatah figures in Israeli custody, like Marwan Barghouti, admitted subsequently that Arafat approved funding for Fatah operatives with knowledge that it would be used to finance terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians.

-Arafat Commands the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
While some draw a distinction between Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Palestinians refute such assertions. The leader of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades in Tulkarm told USA Today in March 2002: "The truth is, we are Fatah, but we didn't operate under the name of Fatah We are the armed wing of the organization. We receive our instructions from Fatah. Our commander is Yasser Arafat himself."
In the early months of 2002, the number of attacks by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, including suicide bombings, exceeded those of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. On September 16, 2001, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades requested payment to cover expenses for "production of explosive charges" from Arafat's financial confidante, Fuad Shubaki, who, as the head of the Palestinian Authority's "Armed Forces Financial Directorate," was also the mastermind behind the Karine-A weapons ship delivery from Iran. That ship also carried huge amounts of C-4 explosives that could only be use for bombing attacks against Israel.

-Arafat Authorized Hamas and Islamic Jihad Attacks
During March 9-13, 1997 (and perhaps earlier), Arafat met personally in Gaza with the leaders of Hamas and other militant groups, and gave them the "green light" to resume terrorist attacks. Following those meetings, Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Amnon Lipkin-Shahak told Israel Radio on March 23, 1997: "Organizations such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad have an understanding from the Palestinian Authority to carry out attacks." After the outbreak of the violence in September 2000, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah coordinated together under the umbrella of the "Nationalist and Islamic Forces," led by Fatah.

Thursday, November 04, 2004

Interesting exchange

I've been having an interesting exchange with Megan at Blogalicious, check it out.Let's hope this sets the tone for the next 4 years.

We all need to come out of the bunkers and shake hands, hopefully we can still call this the UNITED States in another 4 years.


We need to talk TO each other, not AT each other

Wednesday, November 03, 2004

Thank YOU! South Dakota

Probably the most significant development in the 2004 election:

Thank you and congratulations to the people of South Dakota on the defeat of the original Weapon of Crass Obstruction, Tom Daschle.

Congratulations to John Thune for a hard fought campaign. Glad my $30 helped.

Your neighbors to the north and east thank you all.

CONGRATULATIONS! 4 More years. A bit of presidential election trivia for you: Previous record, most popular votes in an election:
54,455,075 Ronald Reagan 1984 Popular Vote
New record
58,527,956 George W Bush 2004 Popular Vote

Tuesday, November 02, 2004

Not ideal, but Ralphs gets a fair shake

If this is a double post, I apologize. The blog's not working so well today.

Kudos to City Manager Bruce Messelt for finding an option to the city claiming eminent domain. He took the time to come up with a deal that will put the decision to keep Ralphs in it's present location, where it belongs, with the owners of the business. It's not ideal, but fair. He seems to realize that buildings only hold the true asset to the city, the businesses inside them.

City to buy out Ralph's
By Dave Roepke,The Forum
Published Tuesday, November 02, 2004

The owner of Ralph's Corner bar agreed Monday to a city buyout offer, adding the final piece to a block of downtown property Moorhead plans to sell to a developer.
The deal was sealed a few hours before the City Council was to consider starting the process of condemning the bar.
Council members instead approved an option agreement selling the building and the land it sits on to the city for $250,000, plus $8,500 for owner Don Wood to relocate his above-the-bar apartment.
If the Wood family decides it wants to continue operating Ralph's in the same location, the eventual developer of the property will take them up on the offer, City Manager Bruce Messelt said.
"That's a perfect world for the developer," Messelt said.
Mike Wood, Don Wood's son, said his family has operated the bar at 23 4th St. S. for 47 years and hopes to continue doing so in a new or renovated facility, as long as it's financially feasible.
"It's going to be a bottom- line decision. I've got my dad and my uncle to worry about. I've got employees to worry about," Wood said. "Talk to us next April, and we'll see how it works out."
According to the option agreement, Ralph's can stay in the current building rent-free until April 1, the day the sale will be official.
Wood said the family will have until then to consider its options: stay at the current location in a renovated or new facility, move to a new location or close.
"It's always been our first and foremost intention to stay here, but the numbers have to make sense," he said.
The cost of renovating the bar has been estimated as high as $800,000, Messelt said.
Ralph's would be an ideal anchor for the development area, said Peter Doll, the city's manager of developmental services.
"I can't imagine that a developer wouldn't give them a good offer because they would be the anchor," he said.
Doll, one of the city officials who spent Monday in off-and-on deliberations with the Woods, said the possibility of the city condemning the bar brought the negotiations to a head.
The council voted in June to push for the renovation or redevelopment of the row of five businesses on the west side of Fourth Street South.
Four of the owners quickly struck deals with the city. By August, Ralph's was the lone holdout.
Because it was the last day to apply for state grants to help pay for clearing the development site, the city set Monday as the deadline for the Woods to either sell or have a city-approved renovation plan.
If no deal was in place, the city needed to start condemnation proceedings to qualify for the grants, which could be worth as much as $500,000.
"We didn't want to lose another construction season," Messelt said.
Council members who were to decide whether to begin condemning the property instead voted unanimously to accept the buyout agreement.
"I'm not sure if this council can do the wave, but if we could, we would," Councilwoman Lauri Winterfeldt-Shanks said.
At Ralph's, patrons were buzzing Monday with news of a possible deal, as they have for months, said Manager J. Earl Miller.
"It's the same thing: What's going to happen, what's going to happen, what's going to happen," Miller said. "The problem is, we don't know."
Including the Ralph's buyout, the city has spent about $730,000 purchasing the block of land.
Next week city officials will begin talking about what to do with it.
While the city is certain to sell the property to a developer, council members will begin discussing the terms, conditions and expectations for the redevelopment Monday.
"If we do not, we will be underwhelmed," Messelt said.
The city could have a developer chosen as early as February, he said.

I still think a west wall renovation of the properties would have cost less than the $730,000 in buyouts, but what do I know, I'm only a taxpayer.